Legislature(1999 - 2000)

02/02/2000 01:36 PM Senate JUD

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Number 2238                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        HJR  7-CONST AM: INITIATIVE/REFERENDUM PETITIONS                                                                        
             HB  45-INITIATIVE/REFERENDUM PETITIONS                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILLLIAMS was in attendance to answer questions.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. SANDRA MATTIE, Alaskan Way of Life, Trappers Assn. and  Caribou                                                             
Calf Protection Program, said she was testifying on  HJR 7 and                                                                  
supports the bill.  The ballot initiative process must be preserved                                                             
and protected from exploitation.  Alaska needs to be protected from                                                             
outside interest groups that have an affect on what is placed on                                                                
the ballot.  There must be opportunities for ballot initiatives                                                                 
that reflect the desires of all Alaskans.  Requiring signatures to                                                              
be collected from qualified voters from all Alaskan voting                                                                      
districts, equal in number to a minimum of 10% to 15% of those who                                                              
voted in the preceding general election will ensure this.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JAMES A. CRARY, representing himself, stated the initiative                                                                 
process is a constitutional right and is a serious matter.  He is                                                               
against HB 45 because it limits rather than expands the process.                                                                
He suggests getting signatures over the internet, not having to                                                                 
collect signatures in person, placing no cap on the price paid per                                                              
signature, reinstating the grace period, and there should be                                                                    
guaranteed access to malls and other public areas.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR asked Mr. Crary if he had reviewed CSHB 45 because                                                              
the CS has been amended to incorporate some of decisions from                                                                   
Buckley v. American Constitutional Law Foundation, Inc., 525 U.S.                                                               
182 (1999).                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRARY responded he had not but HB 45 has gone way beyond the                                                                
Buckley decision by making the initiative process more restrictive.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR asked if Mr. Crary felt it was appropriate for the                                                              
legislature to limit the amount people pay in contributions for                                                                 
political campaigns.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRARY responded it is not the same thing, paying for signatures                                                             
on an initiative is different than paying for a political campaign.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TORGERSON asked Mr. Crary if he knew of any state using                                                                 
electronic media for collecting signatures on ballot initiatives.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRARY responded no, but wondered why Alaska did not                                                                         
take the lead.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1583                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. AL ANDERS, Alaska Libertarian Party, expressed concern that                                                                 
limits are put on how much a person can be paid for collecting                                                                  
signatures.  He agreed with Mr. Crary and Representative Williams                                                               
that rural areas should be included in the initiative process more                                                              
by making it easier for initiatives to be put on the ballot.                                                                    
Removing the sponsor and making the petition one page--making it                                                                
easier to post on the internet and to be faxed--would make the                                                                  
process more accessible for rural areas.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. UWE KALENKA, Alaskans for Property Tax Reform, expressed his                                                                
concern about HB 45 restricting the initiative process, and he                                                                  
asked the committee to reject the bill.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR asked Mr. Kalenka if he knew the people of Alaska                                                               
would have the opportunity to vote on this initiative.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR KALENKA responded he knew this, but "why fix something that                                                                  
isn't broken," and why spend money on this issue if there is not a                                                              
problem.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. CAROL TORSEN, representing herself, stated she supports HJR 7                                                               
in the original form.  Due to the high concentration of voters in                                                               
Anchorage and Fairbanks, initiatives can be placed on the ballot                                                                
without any signatures from the 10 rural house districts of Alaska.                                                             
She, therefore, urges the legislature to restore HJR 7 as                                                                       
originally introduced.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEN JACOBUS, representing himself, stated he does not believe                                                               
wildlife management by the ballot box is proper.  He feels wildlife                                                             
management should be taken out of the initiative process by letting                                                             
people vote on the issue.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JACOBUS feels it is important a circulator sponsor distinction                                                              
be recognized.  An affidavit of age, residency and citizenship                                                                  
should not be required because it does not matter who circulates                                                                
the petition--getting registered voters to sign is what matters.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. JACOBUS recommends that HJR 11 and HB 45 be defeated.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1129                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. ED EARNHART, representing himself, stated he supports HB 45.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TORGERSON moved CSHB 45 from committee with individual                                                                  
recommendations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELLIS objected, feeling, though well intentioned by                                                                     
Representative Williams, this legislation is a step backward in                                                                 
letting the people petition the government.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 389                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY asked for a review of CSHB 45.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR answered CSHB 45 is the application of the Buckley                                                              
supreme court decision, making the inconsistencies of state law                                                                 
compliant with federal law.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELLIS responded that Buckley lends itself to a separate                                                                 
piece of legislation and should not be added to what Representative                                                             
Williams is trying to accomplish in his bill.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY commented that Senator Ellis' point was valid, but                                                               
he will vote to move CSHB 45 from committee, even though he does                                                                
not support the bill,  because the changes are consistent with the                                                              
federal constitution.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The roll was taken on the motion.  Voting yea:  SENATOR DONLEY,                                                                 
SENATOR TORGERSON and CHAIRMAN TAYLOR.  Voting nay:  SENATOR ELLIS,                                                             
and so SCS CSHB 45(JUD) moved from committee.                                                                                   

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